The Spectrum concert experience and tales from the inside with Ed Majewski

0:08 SPEAKER_01: Hey everybody, welcome back to Live at the Spectrum. I'm your host, Bob Hill. Live at the Spectrum is a podcast session dedicated to the concert experience inside the legendary Philadelphia Spectrum Arena. The Spectrum held over 1,500 performances and concerts over its 40 plus years of existence, earning the nickname The House That Rock built. Today we have stories, and I'd like to welcome our guest and good friend Ed Maevsky. Ed is currently the host of a great Facebook group called Friday Night Final.

0:41 SPEAKER_01: And back in the day he managed a local metal band that played the rock club circuit in and around Philly and South Jersey. Ed, welcome to the show, and thanks for joining us today. Starting out, I did want to ask you what your uh first concert was at the spectrum. How old, you know, where and and who was playing. Right.

1:03 SPEAKER_00: I'm 63 going on 19, so it's the same here.

1:08 SPEAKER_01: And what was your first show?

1:11 SPEAKER_00: So let me just let me just backtrack and it kind of goes back to how we used to find out about concerts.

1:17 SPEAKER_01: Right.

1:18 SPEAKER_00: And you know, my dad every day would come home from work and he'd have the daily news, and I'd meet him at the top of the steps and grab the daily news, and he would tell me, Hey, read this sports thing, read this sports thing, or whatever he read it was good. And uh that's how Monday through Friday went. When Sunday came around, you know, to quote Joe Jackson, the Sunday papers, read all about it. I would I would go outside and grab the Sunday paper real quick, and my dad would be like, Hey, hey, hey, I get the sports section first.

1:51 SPEAKER_00: And that was all good for me because the Sunday paper, I wanted section E, which was the entertainment section.

1:58 SPEAKER_01: Yes.

1:59 SPEAKER_00: Which is how we all how we all found out about concerts back then.

2:03 SPEAKER_01: Right.

2:05 SPEAKER_00: We didn't have the internet, and once in a while the radio would tell you something, but more than likely, you open up the entertainment section and look for that little electric factory advertisement. You know, Hart coming in August, Ted Nugent coming in August, Aerosmith.

2:22 SPEAKER_01: Yep.

2:22 SPEAKER_00: And back in the day, the same bands, most of the U.S. bands, toured in your city around the same time every year. And I'm guessing that's how it was all laid out. But so what happened was, you know, I saw Aerosmith coming in. My my parents got really into religion and everything, and me going to concerts, it was really it was a little bit rough. And I had a neighbor who wanted to take me to see the Rolling Stones in 1975, but my parents said no because of all the trouble. Um, but that's okay. So we're now going to 1976.

3:03 SPEAKER_01: And teenager, right?

3:05 SPEAKER_00: I saw I saw Aerosmith coming to the spectrum. So I think all of us have that one person who is not our our parents, our family, actual relative who we call an aunt or an uncle.

3:20 SPEAKER_01: Right.

3:22 SPEAKER_00: So I had an Aunt Dawn. My Aunt Dawn was the top president of the uh Stadium Hilton.

3:33 SPEAKER_01: Wow. Okay.

3:35 SPEAKER_00: Okay. And she told me she can get me tickets for certain acts. And wow. So in 1976, um we had a 10-game ticket plan for the Phillies where we were row one on the third baseline uh near the picnic area at that stadium.

3:58 SPEAKER_01: We had tickets right there too. So I saw many fights there, college nights.

4:05 SPEAKER_00: Uh but the key to this was I knew I couldn't go to any concert. And what's ironic is I'm going to Pittsburgh and in a couple weeks to watch the Phillies and the Pirates play. But the Pirates were coming in, and we had tickets for a double header against the Pirates when we were battling them for first place. It was it was a big series back then.

4:28 SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.

4:30 SPEAKER_00: And my dad wanted to take my grandfather, his dad. So I made a little I made a little bargain. I said, Dad, I have no problem with with this if you let me go see Aerosmith, if Aunt Dawn can get me tickets. So I kind of think it was all agreed to, because they probably didn't expect anything to happen. So that being said, uh my you know, my grandfather and my dad went to the Pirates Doubleheader. And the night of the Aerosmith concert, I remember it well. It was August 13th. It was a Friday, the 13th, 1976.

5:10 SPEAKER_00: Me and my best friend in Southwest Philia are kicking the soccer ball around at 72nd in Dix. I'm only giving this address for anybody in the Philly area who knows where this is. We're kicking the soccer ball around, and it's like six o'clock at night. I'm like, it's just not happening. I mean, I was I was depressed. I was sad as sack and date.

5:31 SPEAKER_01: Yeah.

5:32 SPEAKER_00: And then my mom comes out the front door. She goes, Eddie, she goes, Ed Dawn is on the phone. Oh I'm like, I'm like, and my buddy's like, uh, I don't feel like going. I'm like, if you don't go, I can't go.

5:46 SPEAKER_01: Right. You gotta ride, he uh you gotta I need a side guy. Come on.

5:51 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah. So so anyway, I finally convinced him. And the bottom, the sad thing is he tells us this next part of the story better, better than me. We so I I talked to my Anthony, she gives me the instructions and all that stuff. We get to the spectrum, we go down underneath, if you recall, you go underneath for tickets. And I say, I'm on Arrow Smith's guest list. And I said blah, blah, blah. And and they said, they said, no, we don't see anything. And I said, I was told, you know, if there was any problems, to call so and so.

6:28 SPEAKER_00: So they obliged, and I went through the glass doors on the phone and called backstage.

6:36 SPEAKER_01: Wow. Wow.

6:37 SPEAKER_00: And I and I recall I talked to Bob Kelleher with his name. He was Harold Smith's tour manager. Okay, I only remember these names through the long history of the story, but so he's like, just say these words to the guys at the at the gate.

6:55 unknown: Oh my god.

6:56 SPEAKER_00: And I don't remember what those words were. But my buddy's going, yeah, we're not going in. This isn't happening. And I came back and I said, blah, blah, blah. And I said, go ahead.

7:05 SPEAKER_01: That was like a what? It's like a Jedi mind trick.

7:10 SPEAKER_00: We we went up the steps, and Rick Deringer was the opening act, so he was the actually the first act I ever saw live.

7:18 SPEAKER_01: Right.

7:19 SPEAKER_00: And I heard him do rock and roll Hoochie Coup. It was great. And he was like, I could play all night. And I'm like, I'm here to see Aerosmith. I'm like, and it was on the rocks tour. So that's the other thing about seeing bands back then.

7:31 SPEAKER_01: Right.

7:32 SPEAKER_00: Used they only did songs from rocks before. And and and that that was that was awesome. And the other thing, too, about concerts back then, in the mid-70s, they were loud as hell.

7:47 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

7:48 SPEAKER_00: And I think part of it was because all those speakers were on the stage, they didn't get to the point where things were hung up in the air. And they were just coming directly at you.

8:01 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that. That's true. Yeah.

8:04 SPEAKER_00: So that was that was my first concert, and I I just I talked my I talked my way in.

8:13 SPEAKER_01: Um That is funny, man. That's awesome. That you got the you got the manager. Like and they actually they actually helped you out and said, Yeah, come on over. You know, usually they're just like, Yeah, come on, kid, you know, go away. But they actually let let you in and and uh called him up. You got a hold of 'em. And you don't remember what he said? This Jedi mind trick on the case. I don't remember the words. I think he said a person a name or something like that. Oh, see it was a keyboard. I just went, he told me to tell you blah blah.

8:42 SPEAKER_01: Yep. And whatever it was, they were like, go ahead. Okay. They buzz you in. So the funny thing was this is they were all dance concerts back then. I remember clearly. Yep.

8:54 SPEAKER_00: Me and my buddy sat at section AZ, which was the center of the spectrum in the back, looking at the stage. We're on the steps.

9:02 SPEAKER_01: Well, let me ask you, uh, so newspaper listings, d did you circle like after you were allowed to go to shows, I'm assuming, or did you still have to strike bargains when you got older, or did you know, once once I got a little older and uh I mean when you're 18, you're making your own decision. I mean, um I saw Van Helen when I was fifteen. That opened up the floodgates, you know, caught the concert bug after that. I had to go to every show after that. I didn't care who was playing. My friend had tickets to Bob Seeger, and it was in the summertime, but he was in band, uh, marching band, and they they practiced like every night at the high school.

9:46 SPEAKER_01: He's like, Here, here's two tickets to Seeger. I can't go. I'm like, I'll go. It was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. It was like 81. It was awesome.

9:56 SPEAKER_00: Well, that was the whole thing back then, is you had four of your friends, four of your friends are going to a show tonight.

10:04 SPEAKER_01: Yes.

10:05 SPEAKER_00: For six for six dollars, and back then it was really two hours of minimum wage, because minimum wage was like three bucks back then.

10:13 SPEAKER_01: Right.

10:13 SPEAKER_00: I was fortunate. I worked at a record factory of all things, which we won't we won't get into that, but I made like five dollars an hour.

10:23 SPEAKER_01: So it's all relative. Right.

10:25 SPEAKER_00: I would I would go, I'm like, I would go to every concert. Hey, you guys are going, I'm going. And I'll tell you, so this kind of segues into my next story. Uh a buddy of mine was really into Kansas. Um and it's not that I didn't like Kansas, but I was still more into like Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, and not keyboardy type of things at that point.

10:49 SPEAKER_01: Little proggy for me, too. But yeah, yeah, but good. Uh great, you know, but still, I I understand.

10:55 SPEAKER_00: Yeah. So so we go to see Kansas on the monolith tour, and as we're walking in, Steve Walsh is out by the truck, and my buddy goes, I think that's Steve Walsh.

11:06 SPEAKER_01: Wow.

11:06 SPEAKER_00: The lead singer. And we go over, and sure enough, it's him, and we meet him and all that. So I go into I go into the music store where I get guitar lessons, and the one guy in there is telling me how he's friends with Kansas. And he's he's telling me about how he has this letter and all this stuff. And back then you didn't know how things were done. And I think now we all understand that it was this it was a generated type of letter. So the next time Kansas came in, I went with my my buddies and said, Hey, you know, John, John knows Kansas.

11:54 SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna go back to the hotel where my aunt worked, where the the beauty of that was a lot of people went into the lobby and were kicked out, and all I had to do was say her name, and they let me stay. So um we're sitting in the lobby, and Curry Livgrim walks in with his wife, and like, where's my buddy? And he and he goes. And I'm like, okay, and then next thing Dave Hope comes in, the bass player, and he goes, you know, the restaurant was closed already. He goes, I could really go for a pizza.

12:29 SPEAKER_00: Does anybody know where I can get a pizza? And I'm like, Yeah, me. And and he and he goes, he goes, How far is it from here? I said, ten minutes. And it was family style pizza in southwest Philadelphia for anyone who wants to know. Uh they recently closed about two years ago, but they have a place out in Essington still. Anyway, but so I expected him to come down and give me money and tell me his room number and you know, come back and all that. We're sitting on the sofa, and he comes down, he hits me in the back, and he goes, Come on, let's go.

13:03 SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Let's go. He's like, Yeah, let's go. And he literally hops in the car with me and my buddies, and we drive and we drive to Southwest Philly, and we're sitting in family-style pizza. He orders about four different types of pizzas, and then we go back to the spectrum, we go back on the tour bus.

13:24 SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, that's great.

13:26 SPEAKER_00: And Robbie's, and we're having pizza on Kansas Tour bus, Robbie, Rich Williams, and all those guys. And then then I became friends, and I told the guy who told me who told me he knew Kansas that I met them and all that, and he thought I was busting his chops. So we're gonna divert one second to the Mad Music Center because the next tour they came to the man.

13:49 unknown: Yeah.

13:49 SPEAKER_00: My buddy's like, Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't believe this is gonna happen. They all drove their own car. So they all pull up to the man, and then the first car, Steve Walsh is driving. And I said, Is Dave Hope here? And he goes, No, he's two cars back. And and I told Dave Hope, I said, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, oh yeah. And he walked down to the gate and got his tickets and everything. But that's that's more the spectrum story than than the Man Music Center story.

14:16 SPEAKER_01: You knew all the you knew all the code words back then to get to get to get things.

14:22 SPEAKER_00: So so I also remember in 1979, it was probably it was probably like I'm thinking it was October, so it wasn't totally cold yet. But the WHO tickets for the Who Are You tour were going on sale. We camped out.

14:41 SPEAKER_01: And I had to spectrum and I sat on the steps, played some songs and all that, had long hair at the time, and uh you know that I saw a band like I saw trucks going down to the to the you know, down that ramp.

15:00 SPEAKER_00: So I decided you know, when I was done playing and all that, to go down the ramp. So I went down the ramp. This one guy goes, Hey, can you help me grab some of these? I'm like, sure. And I helped grab, I helped grab some marshals, he just followed me.

15:17 SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh. That's awesome.

15:18 SPEAKER_00: It was literally, I was literally helping Sticks Road Crew set up for Sticks. They were they were playing the spectrum that night. I unfortunately I didn't go see them on that tour. It was either the Cornerstone Tour or the Pieces of Eight tour, but that's when you wish you had an iPhone. Like I'm on the stage at the spectrum looking at it all this. I'm like, oh, I wish I would have had a picture of it.

15:41 SPEAKER_01: Wait, Ed, you were in line for the Who tickets at the box office at the Spectrum, and Sticks was setting up, and you were like roadie roadie for the day. Roadie went from standing in line for who tickets, yeah, chilling, being cool, waiting to get you good seats, and then all of a sudden you're on the spectrum stage, yeah, stacking marshals for sticks, right? Yeah.

16:07 unknown: And now yeah.

16:10 SPEAKER_01: Because I just looked apart, and this is Yeah, yeah, the long hair.

16:15 SPEAKER_00: Whenever I have I I've been fortunate to have backstage passes, I always tell my friends, act like you belong here. Don't act like, oh my god, uh, just act like you belong here.

16:26 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know. I've I have a lot of experience with that. That's true.

16:31 SPEAKER_00: So the last funny thing about the Who is um back then you had you know you had numbers in line. Okay. And I ran across somebody from my high school, and he comes up and he goes, Hey man, how are you doing? I'm like, oh hey, yeah, hey, hey, how are you? He's like, hey, can you hey, are you going back to Williamstown after this? And I said, Yeah. He's can you give me a ride? And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, okay. I said, but you're gonna probably have to wait for a while. He's like, why? I said, well, my number's, I could remember my number exactly.

17:16 SPEAKER_00: My number was 1865 in line for tickets.

17:21 SPEAKER_01: Yep.

17:21 SPEAKER_00: And he goes, he goes, how many tickets do you need? I said, two. One for me and my best friend. He's like, well, I only I'm only getting two. And I said, what's your number? He goes, 50.

17:34 SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.

17:36 SPEAKER_00: I'm like, my new best friend.

17:38 SPEAKER_01: Yes, I will give you a ride, and you can sit up front.

17:41 SPEAKER_00: So so so the whole thing was I get home, I'm so pumped, I got food tickets.

17:49 SPEAKER_01: Wow.

17:49 SPEAKER_00: My best friend tells me, oh, my sister's got six at Wanamakers from Center City. So I'm like, my my big catch, my big thrill was Trump by his sisters going something to a different location because we had ticket master locations all over.

18:07 SPEAKER_01: Right.

18:08 SPEAKER_00: And uh they got six. But the one thing about this, I never scalped tickets ever at a concert, except for this.

18:16 SPEAKER_01: I never oh, okay. Yeah, you went down, you had extra extra pairs.

18:20 SPEAKER_00: We had we had three extra tickets because we had we got as many people to go as we could, and it was pretty cool because it was his dad, his uncle also went, and we also went to see ELO back in the 70s because his dad and his uncle were from Birmingham, England, and that's where ELO was from and the Who were from along with Black Sabbath.

18:42 SPEAKER_01: That's great.

18:42 SPEAKER_00: Um so so I'm walking around, you know, you you're you're a kid, you're nervous. And the scalper's this this one guy goes, the scalper goes, I'll give you$150 a ticket.

18:56 SPEAKER_02: Wow.

18:57 SPEAKER_00: And scalper said, No, I want$300 a ticket. This is the week after the Cincinnati tramplings.

19:04 SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna ask you that. Uh what's the time frame on that? Yep, the tragedy. So a week later, the who was a week later, the spectrum. Yep. Or no, it's December 10th. Wow.

19:19 SPEAKER_00: I remember because it was my brother's birthday.

19:21 SPEAKER_01: Yeah.

19:23 SPEAKER_00: But but the thing was this was the guy walked away after offering 100. I said, hey, buddy,$150 a ticket. I'll give you two. He's like, yeah, great. So I had$300. I went to my buddy, and I said, I said, I got uh$150 for the tickets. And he's thinking, you know,$150 total. I said, no, no, no,$150 each. He's like, what?

19:50 SPEAKER_01: So a lot of money back then.

19:52 SPEAKER_00: That was a lot of money back then.

19:54 SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was a hell of a lot of money. But it's the Who.

19:58 SPEAKER_00: And it was the Who Are You Tour. Sadly, it was after Keith Moon died, because I really would have loved the scene The Who with Keith Moon.

20:07 SPEAKER_01: Well, was that uh that wasn't a dance concert, right? So they they put seats on no, it was. Oh it was.

20:14 SPEAKER_00: That's right near where they were starting to eliminate dance concert.

20:18 SPEAKER_01: Right, because of the Cincinnati tragedy. Um that's what started it. Um I only you know, speaking of which, okay, well, so I wanted to ask you about location your tickets, because you mentioned Ticketron and Wanamakers, um, the box office. Where was your main location, like in in Philly, or were you just like well, I was living in South Jersey at the time.

20:42 SPEAKER_00: I mean, technically our main location was always the Spectrum.

20:47 SPEAKER_01: Right. Okay, so you went down to the box office. Okay, yeah, right.

20:50 SPEAKER_00: And I've I've gone on the spectrum to get concert tickets, and I ran into Bobby Clark a couple times.

20:58 SPEAKER_01: Like that's all right.

20:58 SPEAKER_00: He was behind the ticket master thing, and I got an autograph and everything.

21:03 SPEAKER_01: That's cool.

21:03 SPEAKER_00: But I mean, we had some places in South Jersey, right? But really, yeah. I and I mean I I do like the internet today and all that. That's great.

21:17 SPEAKER_01: Right.

21:18 SPEAKER_00: But but it was so cool to hang out with everybody that's into the show, like you know. But it it was the scalpers that probably kind of ruined it.

21:28 SPEAKER_01: Right. Yeah, our location was um I grew up in Montgomery County, so we would I was about two miles from the mall. So we would ride our bikes up around 9 30 in the morning. And then I forgot what the department store. Um Sears? No, it wasn't a Sears. That was on the other side of the mall. I forget, uh it might have been a Wanamakers, actually, because as soon as the doors open up as soon as the doors open up, you run upstairs, you know, through bedding and Furniture and you run like hell and you you get back there where the customer service is.

22:06 SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm gonna get tickets for you know Blue's Decult. And they'd open up the Remember they'd open up the the uh the the grid of the spectrum, it'd be the you know, right? Uh be all the seats and the sections, and they'd say we have this section, we have that section, and meanwhile everybody else is buying tickets at the same time. I miss I miss printed up tickets. Right. Oh, I'll get to that in a minute, absolutely. Um but yeah, we would we'd walk out, we'd be like, Oh god, we're in. But you'd have to be up as soon as you know, you see a bunch of kids just running around uh, you know, winemakers trying to get up there.

22:43 SPEAKER_01: There's a great picture out on the internet of Stones fans. I don't know if it's 72, maybe 75, but they're in the um they're in the the uh bedding department of the of the store. Just waiting for the the tickets thing to open up, like right there. They're just sitting on the beds, just hanging out. I mean it's awesome, but you're right about the the tickets because you know you can keep them. And when they you know, when you went inside the spectrum, you always wanted them to tear it like a certain way.

23:19 SPEAKER_01: I want to see the band, the time, you know, the ticketron, um the electric factory concerts, you know. Uh so just tear it this way, you know, and then you'd look at it and you'd be like, Yes, I got three-quarters of a ticket here I can save. You know what I mean? I I always like that. You know why? Because you bought them in advance. You'd have something tangible in your hands, you know what I mean? And you could just look at it and be like, I'm in. We'd always say that. I'm in. I can't I can't I can't wait.

23:51 SPEAKER_01: I can't wait. It's three months away, but I I have tickets. You know, I got two tickets.

23:56 SPEAKER_00: Um that's the other thing, that's the other thing too, is so downstairs in my basement, I have a China cabinet. Uh it it's from my my house since 1975, since my my parents, you know. The wife wasn't well, the wife wasn't totally thrilled about it, but it's in my basement now, it's in the man cave, it's it's blocking off and hell holds all my whiskeys from Ireland and all that fun stuff.

24:24 SPEAKER_02: Right. Yeah.

24:25 SPEAKER_00: But in the top corner of the one window, that was where my pile of concert tickets always was. And I will tell you for$25 total, and one reason why it's$25 is because Fleetwood Mac that year decided to have a$14 ticket, which was absurd and crazy. Okay, it was on the Tusk tour. In three weeks, in three weeks, I saw Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles on the Long Run Tour, and the Who on the Who Are You tour.

25:10 SPEAKER_01: Right. Good, yep.

25:12 SPEAKER_00: It was in 1979. It was like it was like crazy.

25:16 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they I I always say they uh bands used to come in like it was conveyor belt. I mean, it was just one after another. Yeah. Um it's just and and we're only talking about the spectrum here. Right. But there's the Tower Theater, there's uh the man, like you said. Um, you know, the other venues, uh the cabarets. I saw a lot of bands at the like 38 Amber Cabaret. Um there was just so many venues to see bands. Spectrum was always you know, like the mothership, you know, and then everything else around it.

25:52 SPEAKER_01: And uh Tower saw some great shows at the tower, but um so I'm about to tell you my worst concert. Oh, okay.

26:01 SPEAKER_00: Um and I was kind of like I tried to think of one. There was the concert at the tower that I saw that that was worse than this, but we're talking spectrum. So I was leery about telling the story, but you kind of cleared one one area. And I just watched I just watched uh the Bob Dylan movie this weekend. So I'm gonna set this up. My one buddy, um who unfortunately we're with he's he's an ex-buddy because of probably a lot of things like this. He uh he tells me, he goes, he goes, hey, you want to go to a concert tonight?

26:51 SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, sure. Now this is the person who I talked to at on a concert because I made I made better money back then, and my whole thing was do I want to sit home on a Friday night or do I want to go out and do stuff and have friends and do it with me? And I was never it was never a concern about paying me back. But when you're in a position to do something, hey, think of me. So I'm thinking, oh, hey, cool. He's he's doing this. So I get in the car and he says, Hey, can you get in the backseat?

27:22 SPEAKER_00: I'm like, why? Because I gotta pick up my date. Oh, I'm like, you're on a date. He goes, Oh yeah. I didn't get he goes, I didn't get you a ticket. He goes, uh and I'm like, and this is to see Bob Dylan. And I'm not I was not I full respect for Bob Dylan. I watched the movie this week and we l Lenny and I actually listened to a couple Bob Dylan albums. We're like, I thought we'd be doing this. I saw that on your on your post. But but anyway, anyway, so we we get to the spectrum, and in front of the spectrum on the like veteran stadium side of the spectrum, this person in front of us slip is raining and they slip on the concrete and they hit their head.

28:07 SPEAKER_01: It's like, ooh. Wow.

28:10 SPEAKER_00: So uh I was saying I was out there just saying, hey, I was looking for a ticket, and these people heard me. It's like, hey, you know, hey, seven dollars. I was like, all right, you know, yeah, because they couldn't go. They had to go in the ambulance with this guy. I mean, they heard me asking earlier. And uh they were in the eighth row. My buddy and his date were in the third level, if you remember, they had that third level of the spectrum.

28:40 SPEAKER_01: Yep.

28:43 SPEAKER_00: I'm in the eighth row. So I'm I'm in the eighth row for Bob Dylan. He's on his religious tour, so he's not even really on his tour where he's doing like all the greatest songs, he's on this religious tour, the Judaism tour or whatever.

28:57 SPEAKER_01: Really? Okay.

28:58 SPEAKER_00: I forget what that I forget what that album was, but it was I could tell you, there's a counterpart to this. The promise was to my buddy, I would go to see Dylan with you because he wanted me to see Dylan. But my car's in the shop that weekend. And Sunday night was Foreigner and Billy Squire.

29:19 SPEAKER_01: Okay, it was good.

29:20 SPEAKER_00: It was Foreigner 4 and Billy Squire. I wanted to see that show.

29:24 SPEAKER_01: Right. Yep.

29:25 SPEAKER_00: Which that never happened with him. And uh, so I'm sitting in the eighth row and I'm like, oh, there I'm like, okay, I'm wow, I got great seats for this. And this guy in an army jacket comes in and he goes, Hey man, you you into the dead? I'm like, uh, I'm like, yeah, you know, yeah, they're fine. I was just being polite. Yeah, I told him 30 times, and he proceeded to tell me about every show. And I'm not a Grateful Dead person. Mind you, I did want to see The Grateful Dead live to experience it, and I do respect uh Jerry Garcia's playing.

30:02 SPEAKER_00: And as I'm older now, there's a lot more dead stuff that I like.

30:08 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, see.

30:09 SPEAKER_00: But at the time, at the time I was Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, you know, Led Zeppelin. I was hard rock.

30:13 SPEAKER_01: I was a metal kid in the 80s. I'm like, I'm not I'm not going down, but my best friend was a deadhead. Yeah. And he's like, I said, well, you know, uh we'll trade off. You come down to see Judas Priest, and I'll go to a dead show with you. And uh we dragged him down there, and he was just he got steamrolled all night.

30:32 SPEAKER_00: And uh I never did get down to the see the dead, but uh my best spectrum concerts, I think, all dealt with Aerosmith.

30:40 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.

30:42 SPEAKER_00: Because it was it was the twin building. I saw Aerosmith with Guns N' Roses.

30:48 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I saw them. '91.

30:51 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that and that was that was the first tour.

30:53 SPEAKER_01: Right.

30:53 SPEAKER_00: Guns and Roses. Um it was the original band doing Appetite for Destruction. Yep. And you just felt I remember somebody jumped up on stage and still slash his hat, and Axel Rose to head first into the crowd to get it to get it back, and I was like, this this night's a little bit nuts.

31:11 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were I have a lot of Guns N' Roses stories, but uh yeah, yeah, I was there that night. It was funny to hear him I think he stopped the show too. It might have been in um Welcome to the Jungle, and he was kind of chastising someone up front. He was very volatile back then, you know. You didn't if you if you took a picture, I mean you've seen those videos where he would just dive in the stage and beat up anybody that was taking pictures, but uh it was just kind of funny for me to see him like lecture.

31:41 SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden he's lecturing like someone, and he's not jumping in on uh you know in the middle now, beating someone up. He's like, hey, hey, you know, be cool and this and that. Um because we saw I saw G and R in '87 at the Trocadero. In the we were in the balcony, and uh their album just came out, and it was uh easy open Japanese metal band. And uh yeah, somehow we got tickets. I think we're just trying to move on from that you know, the uh bubblegum glam kind of stuff, you know what I mean?

32:19 SPEAKER_01: We're just looking for something new, and then it was Sound Guard and Jane's Addiction, and then for me it was G and R all in that 87-88 year. But yeah, we were in the balcony, we saw them, and then we saw them at the tr uh tower theater in 88. Um they played for two hours. Uh absolutely great show. One of my favorites. I mean, they were yeah, they were just absolutely on. And then yeah, saw them with uh the Irishmith show. Um, you know, in 91. They were a wreck in 87. I mean, he was they were drunk and and they were just great.

32:54 SPEAKER_01: They were dangerous, they were like the old stones from the 60s.

32:58 SPEAKER_00: That's what that's what I recall about that show. That show I was kind of like I was kind of like, wow, this this kind of feels dangerous, like like a riot could happen at any moment.

33:10 SPEAKER_01: And the thing was Yeah, flashpoint.

33:12 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah. And I mean that, and I saw Aerosmith with Ted Nugent as an opening act, nice, and that was awesome.

33:22 SPEAKER_01: Yep.

33:22 SPEAKER_00: And I also saw Aerosmith with Dawkins.

33:25 SPEAKER_01: Oh, nice.

33:26 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it was just it was just uh Yeah, I mean just the fact that you're seeing bands that you like, and then when they're done, you you're seeing the band that you you're you came there for.

33:40 SPEAKER_01: Right. So that's exactly right.

33:44 SPEAKER_00: But but yeah, and I have one spectrum regret. I have there's many concert regrets, but we're keeping this as a spectrum. And I've seen people post on the spectrum page, and if you're out there, I still envy it. And my biggest spectrum regret show ever was Foghat was the headliner.

34:06 SPEAKER_01: Oh wow. Yep.

34:07 SPEAKER_00: Sweet was the middle act.

34:09 SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow. I love sweet.

34:10 SPEAKER_00: And the opening act was Cheap Trick.

34:13 SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.

34:14 SPEAKER_00: Cheap Trick, Sweet, and Foghat. Cheap Trick was on their first album.

34:20 SPEAKER_01: Wow.

34:21 SPEAKER_00: Sweet was on the Love is Like Oxygen album. I think it was Gives a Wink.

34:25 SPEAKER_01: Yep. So what is this?

34:26 SPEAKER_00: Or no off the record, I think that was. So what is it? And and and Foghat was just always just Foghat. They just always rock.

34:32 SPEAKER_01: So what is it, 76? Somewhere around there, 75. 77 or 78. 78, a little bit later, yeah. Wow. Sweet, one of my favorite bands, loved them. Still do. Yep. What a night of tunes, Ed. That's crazy. What a night of music. What a night of tunes there. That's unbelievable.

34:55 SPEAKER_00: Right. Now I did get to see Cheap Truck at the Spectrum in 1979 when they were on the Boudicon tour, and the opening act was Graham Parker and the Rumor.

35:04 SPEAKER_01: Okay, good.

35:04 SPEAKER_00: It was with the uh squeezing out sparks.

35:07 SPEAKER_01: Right.

35:08 SPEAKER_00: And I also saw ELO with the spaceship tour, which was the out-of-the-blue tour, where they had ten trucks load the spaceship into the spectrum. Yeah. I mean you but big business.

35:21 SPEAKER_01: Yep.

35:22 SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so one last thing here is I put this down like songs you heard. These are more by opening acts. I'm gonna I'm gonna do the the mind-blowing song last. So I heard I heard Dance Hall Days and Everybody Wang Chung Tonight by Wang Chung.

35:41 SPEAKER_01: I saw Wang Chung.

35:43 SPEAKER_00: We opened up for the Cars.

35:45 SPEAKER_01: Oh, right. Okay. Um, all right. Yep.

35:48 SPEAKER_00: And the same thing as I saw Our Love's in Jeopardy and the breakup song by Greg King.

35:52 SPEAKER_01: Yep, nice.

35:53 SPEAKER_00: When he opened up for the cars.

35:54 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Yep.

35:56 SPEAKER_00: I saw Lady in Red by Chris De Berg when he opened up for Asia on the Asia's second album tour. But this is the topper. This is the one when people tell me things they heard. Um I heard Afternoon Delight Live.

36:18 SPEAKER_00: Exactly. I saw I had I had tickets through my aunt, who was always going to be called my aunt because she got me these tickets. Um was the opening for John Denver on the spectrum in the round.

36:34 SPEAKER_01: In the round.

36:36 SPEAKER_00: Oh, it was awesome.

36:37 SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable. John Denver in the round. That's awesome. I love John Denver.

36:46 SPEAKER_00: I think it was like 77.

36:48 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love John Denver. He's great. But that's what an opening act, man.

36:53 SPEAKER_00: I mean that's so I saw the Starland Vocal Band do Afternoon Delight Live.

37:00 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's hard to top. Yeah. Yeah. That's uh yeah, that's that's that's next level.

37:08 SPEAKER_00: I I can't think of that's like a mic drag. Oh, I I heard this song. I heard I mean there's other songs that I've heard, but I'm like, yeah, I heard that song live. And that's funny. Yeah. I was trying to it's just yeah, go ahead. No, no, it's it's just crazy. I mean I'm sure, you know, our our late uh Vince Salvia mouse, uh the one thing we had in common is you know, well we had a lot of things in common, but the one thing we always talked about is we both saw Casey and the Sunshine Band elsewhere though.

37:49 SPEAKER_00: But that's not a spectrum thing. But anyway, yeah.

37:52 SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, uh I'm trying to think who I I think well I something top my uh head would be uh Bon Jovi opening up for the Scorpions uh 80s.

38:06 SPEAKER_00: Um I think I think that was like 83.

38:09 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but here's the thing. So I was out west, I actually saw them at the LA Forum, and you know, back then news, you know, he's the East Coast guy, Jersey. So you know, you guys may have heard of him and this and that, but we we never heard of him. You know, he's like brand new, didn't know who he was. Thought he was really enthusiastic. He's running around stage, he's like, well, he seems to be you know enjoying what he's doing, and playing Runaway was the big hit, I guess. We didn't know that.

38:40 SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, the scorpions were the scorpions. But uh my friend, I came home for Christmas in December, and he said, Yeah, I got tickets for uh the spring, and I said, I just saw them in LA, and they were they were awesome, scorpions were awesome. And and some some band or something, Bon Jovi opened up, and of course, being on the East Coast from back here in the Philly area, he's like, Yeah, Bon Jovi. We we we know who that is. He's opening up, yeah, it's great. I'm like, Yeah, we didn't know who he was.

39:13 SPEAKER_01: We we just didn't end the story because Bon Jovi, you know, ruled the eighties with all those albums and hooks and everything like that, you know.

39:22 SPEAKER_00: I was in the studio with Bon Jovi during a second album, and that's because the band I was managing was supposed to uh record our first album after he was done, and they went over time and just all kinds of things happened, and uh and then uh What was the band? It was a band called Alibi. Um we sounded like a cross between Alice Cooper, ACDC, and Led Zeppelin.

39:52 unknown: Wow. Oh, cool.

39:54 SPEAKER_00: We went yeah, it just yeah, that's that's so so the problem was when all everything kind of got delayed and kind of fell apart, the record label ended up going with Kingdom Come instead of us.

40:10 SPEAKER_01: God.

40:11 SPEAKER_00: So I remember my one buddy going, Oh, you'll never know who this is, and you put it on the Kingdom Come, like in two seconds. How'd you know that? You don't want to know.

40:20 SPEAKER_01: Long story. I saw them on Monsters of Rock Break.

40:26 SPEAKER_00: I love the Galaxy Galaxy with Cinderella, Heaven's Edge, Tangier, Britney Fox. We were one of those top bands in there and had the labels come out, and yeah.

40:38 SPEAKER_01: Oh, so I was an Empire Rock Club guy. You know, the that was close to us. So all those bands you mentioned, yeah, they were the galaxy. Yeah, yeah. They uh rubber band back and forth between the Empire, Bonnie's Rocks, Galaxy. Um they they were great days. That's a whole show we could do, just local music, and I think we will, you know, absolutely. But um oh but no, I wanted to ask you uh what was one last one last spectrum thing. Yeah.

41:08 SPEAKER_00: And is one other concert I went to, which would not seem like a concert that I would go to, but the lineup was unbelievable. I was third row to see Rick James.

41:27 SPEAKER_01: Okay, nice, Tina Marie.

41:30 SPEAKER_00: Yep, Luther Vantros was the opening act.

41:35 SPEAKER_01: Wow, nice.

41:36 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was on the uh I think it was the super freak.

41:40 SPEAKER_01: I think, yeah, it was Oh, was that his super freak days?

41:44 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was it was it was so good. First of all, he had a guitar, a white guitar player in his band. I remember he had this feather earring, who was like Eddie Van Halen. He was just like all over the place. I'm like, this stuff rocks. That was just a great show. And I felt he felt weird because I'm like, I'm gonna be the only white guy here. And I'm like, it was all cool. Yeah, it was like it is cool. It's like, hey, you're here.

42:09 SPEAKER_01: And that total was cool back then. Everybody was cool to each other. I mean, we're all in this, we're we're all here.

42:16 SPEAKER_00: We're you know, so so you were gonna ask me one question before I went to the book.

42:22 SPEAKER_01: I was gonna ask you uh about an opening act that outshied the outshine the headliner, and I was trying to think of this. Okay, I mean I do have one on the top of my head, and we just mentioned the band. Um, but go ahead if you have somebody.

42:39 SPEAKER_00: Um I'm going to go with I don't think this band outshine the headliner. Nobody knew who this band was, and I think you were at this show. Okay, so when I saw Van Halen on the Women and Children first tour, yeah, that was my first concert. There was no opening act.

42:59 SPEAKER_01: Right.

43:01 SPEAKER_00: Like on the bill. And all of a sudden the curtain opened up and this band just started kicking ass. And it looked like it was Van Halen with David Lee Roth on the drums, and this and I was like, Was it Granati Brothers?

43:15 SPEAKER_01: No, I was 81 again.

43:21 SPEAKER_00: Who the hell was this? And now think of Van Halen as the headliner. Think of any band opening for Van Halen that nobody knows, or Aerosmith, or Kiss or anything.

43:30 SPEAKER_01: Right.

43:31 SPEAKER_00: They're like, they're like done, get over with and leave. This band was called back for an encore. The drummer, every five seconds, was on the symbol.

43:41 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he was throwing them out to the audience. He was throwing it out to the crowd.

43:45 SPEAKER_00: The band was called Rail. Rail.

43:49 SPEAKER_01: Yes, Rail. Yes, Rail. Thank you.

43:53 SPEAKER_00: I went I went out looking for their albums for weeks.

43:58 SPEAKER_01: Trio. Were they were they a trio?

44:00 SPEAKER_00: A VH1 or a MTV contest, basement tapes contest.

44:04 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yep. I remember.

44:07 SPEAKER_00: Whoever managed them or whatever, that album should have been out there. I agree. And I go back and I listen to it. I'm like, yeah, this is okay, but I think we were all surprised by everything back then.

44:20 SPEAKER_01: And they just sounded great live. And there was it was a trio.

44:27 SPEAKER_00: No, there were four people. Four people.

44:32 SPEAKER_00: And every time he was hitting the sets, the sticks were smashing. Because when they were done, they had to have a person come on stage and like broom up all the drumsticks.

44:43 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I remember he was throwing them out to the audience. Like every every bar he would break downbeat at the end of the bar, he'd break the stick and he'd just toss it, grab a new one. It was pretty awesome.

44:56 SPEAKER_00: I'm like, who is this band?

44:58 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Rail. You're right.

44:59 SPEAKER_00: Who is this? And you can find them on YouTube. I yeah. I look him up and I'm like, yeah, it's it's typical kind of cheesy 80 metal. It worked that night, and it was good live.

45:09 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Ed, that was my first concert. Yeah.

45:13 SPEAKER_00: When you told me that the other night when we were talking, I was like, I'm gonna keep that. I would just keep that up because that's something I wanted to bring up.

45:21 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was uh absolutely great. It was May wrapping up sophomore year, I guess. And just wow. Great seats, first level. Three, four sections over from the stage. Just couldn't believe it. The atmosphere inside, I just it was just like unlike anything I I've ever and like I said, I caught the concert bug that night.

45:47 unknown: I loved Sammy Hagar.

45:50 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did too.

45:52 SPEAKER_00: I saw Sammy Hagar open for Boston, and I'll get back to that in a second. I saw Sammy Hagar, I went and saw him open up for Black Sabbath on the Heaven and Hell tour. Right. I was a big Sammy Hagar solo fan back in the day and was so happy when he finally seemed to make the big time with Van Halen. But I was like right up against the uh rail when he opened up for Boston, I think it was in 77 on the Don't Look Back tour. And and I knew I knew like a couple songs by him because Lenny had his album, because Lenny saw him six months earlier.

46:28 SPEAKER_00: And I kept I kept yelling, Red, like, play red.

46:35 SPEAKER_00: So finally, like about five songs in, Sammy Hager goes, This next song is about my favorite color. And he turns and looks at me and he goes, You know what song it is. And I was like, and and I'm looking back and I'm like, I'm sure he's just like well, you know, to to to to to bring it home, that was actually my last show with The Spectrum, was uh 95 Van Halen?

47:05 SPEAKER_01: Second row. So that was that was it. I I didn't go to a show after that. Um what was your last show? Do you remember the spectrum?

47:14 SPEAKER_00: So so you just said that. Yeah. And I thought I thought it was Van Halen. And I went to the s I went to the spectrum site of the shows, and and I thought it was Van Halen with the Sammy Hager era, because my buddy's like, you gotta see the Sammy Hager. Well, I think you gotta show I love Sammy Hager, so you're not you're you're not through you know dragging me. So you're not dragging me, which the other show they did drag me to, which I thought was my last until you said 1995, because this show was 1995.

47:51 SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, this show was in 2002, so yeah. Probably in around 2003 or whatever.

47:58 SPEAKER_01: Okay.

47:59 SPEAKER_00: Or later, a later tour, maybe a reunion of them.

48:02 SPEAKER_01: Right.

48:03 SPEAKER_00: Uh but I think my last show at the spectrum was Molly Crew, and they did like the circus. It was a circus with a red and white striped show.

48:14 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that tour. Yep.

48:15 SPEAKER_00: Yeah.

48:17 SPEAKER_01: And uh Yeah, no, I I started with Van Halen in 80, and then 15 years later, 95. That was my last show at the spectrum. It was just I I you know, we we'll never have that experience. Actually, I shouldn't say that. I was gonna say we'll never have that experience because I've been to shows where I've walked in and I've had that that that feeling. Like, you know, when you walk into the spectrum, you have that anticipation and everything else, right? Music is blaring. I I've had that, you know, going into clubs and stuff like that since.

48:49 SPEAKER_01: So the m the I think this I think it's still the same, you know, the concert experience nowadays. And you go to a lot of concerts nowadays, right? So you can around the world. Yeah, there you go.

49:01 SPEAKER_00: So who in Barcelona, but he still had Zach Starkey.

49:06 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, geez.

49:07 SPEAKER_00: Two years ago, yeah. And stall showed the Royal Abbott Hall, a band called Level 42.

49:13 SPEAKER_01: Right.

49:14 SPEAKER_00: Base player Mark King is amazing. Bass players out there won't know who that is.

49:19 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so do you get deja vu when you walk in and you're like, you know, this brings me back to I'm getting some senses that I I got before, you know what I mean? Now they're not tearing my ticket anymore. You know, it's on my phone.

49:31 SPEAKER_00: But I'm still walking. What I missed was when you walked in and the curtain was closed, and you didn't see the stage, right, and you didn't see how it was set up or any of that. And then when the band came on, it all opened up. It's like, yeah. I miss that. When you walk in now for many shows anymore.

49:50 SPEAKER_01: It's all open.

49:51 SPEAKER_00: It's all open. It's like there's no surprise. It's like, oh that's what the stage looks like. Okay.

49:55 SPEAKER_01: Right. But and you can see the seats behind them if there's not a backdrop and stuff like that.

50:00 SPEAKER_00: The other surprise, last surprise for me was in 1979, when I saw the Eagles at the Spectrum on the long run tour, their opening number, their opening number was Hotel California. Their opening number was Hotel California. You're like, holy shit, they're hitting us with the it's like Les Apple and Open Up was never it happened.

50:25 SPEAKER_01: That is amazing.

50:27 SPEAKER_00: Yeah.

50:27 SPEAKER_01: But they have they have two hours of music, and you're like, oh my God. Like every song is it's great. But yeah, to open up with that, that's that was their opening number.

50:40 SPEAKER_00: I was just like, holy shit.

50:42 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I never I never knew that. I'm just I'm kind of dumbfounded. That's an encore. That's an encore, right?

50:51 SPEAKER_00: I mean Wow, yeah, it is an on it's an encore now.

50:54 SPEAKER_01: It's an encore song, I mean. You know, maybe back then it um was it as popular as as now.

51:00 SPEAKER_00: Oh no, no, it was because this was this was the long run. This was already that album was out for a while, so it wasn't it wasn't like they were touring Hotel California album.

51:09 SPEAKER_01: Right.

51:10 SPEAKER_00: But I think I mean they just had so many hits.

51:13 SPEAKER_01: They just hit, hit, hit, hit. Yeah.

51:17 SPEAKER_00: That and and the fact that I I didn't realize back then Don Henley was the drummer, and I'm like, oh look, the drummer's the lead singer, that's crazy.

51:25 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's got a great voice. By the way.

51:28 SPEAKER_00: Yeah. It's just like in 1979 when I saw Fleetwood Mac on the Tusk tour.

51:33 SPEAKER_01: Oh, I never saw Fleetwood Mac, eh?

51:35 SPEAKER_00: I was I was not a Fleetwood Mac fan per se. I mean, I like the songs, but they were just played to death. But my drummers, my drummer's sister was cute, and I wanted and I knew she liked Fleetwood Mac, so I wanted to take her. And I did. And I remember going to the show and walking out, going, oh my god, Lindsay Buckingham is amazing. And it's not Stevie Nick's band, it's Lindsay Buckingham's band. Yeah. He is. And I got to see them with my wife probably about seven years ago when it was all the original, the famous lineup.

52:15 SPEAKER_01: Right.

52:15 SPEAKER_00: Christy McVeigh was still alive, uh Lindsay Buckingham, all of them. And again, I told my wife, I said, You're gonna go in here thinking it's gonna be Stevie next. I said, It's not, it's Lindsay Buckingham.

52:27 SPEAKER_01: But yeah. I love Fleetwood Mac. Yeah, they're hanging on my uh my music room. So yeah, I have a lot of regrets as far as not I never saw, I don't know why. I never saw them, and but I mean we could just do a whole show on on bands. On regrets, yeah. On regrets.

52:45 SPEAKER_00: Well, well, one one last regret that I think you may fall in line with because I know after follow seeing your your page and everything, my only other regret I think was 1975, Eric Clappin at the Spectrum, and the opening act was Muddy Waters.

53:01 SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.

53:02 SPEAKER_00: On the Hard Rain, I think Muddy Waters almost Hard Rain. Hard Rain or Hard Again tour.

53:09 SPEAKER_01: Wow.

53:10 SPEAKER_00: And I'm um the Rolling Stones just got me into the Muddy Waters, right, um Howling Wolf, Jimmy Reed, all that.

53:19 SPEAKER_01: Um Chicago blues. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So so yeah. Same here. I mean, uh yeah, I love uh yeah, that's great. I mean, Clapton's coming around again. I saw Clapton in the mid eighties, he was great. He didn't play a lot of blues. Uh, you know, he used to tour and just do like a blue shows and stuff like that, where the whole set list was, you know, 20 songs of blues, but you know, he he was playing Layla and just a bunch of cream and maybe a blind faith song. Yeah, yeah. It was great. I mean, to see him live, it was just great, you know.

53:56 SPEAKER_01: I got to see Jimmy Page, which was great with the firm. Thank God.

54:00 SPEAKER_00: When I look back at at the uh there's just so many shows, it's like, oh my god, look at look at that lineup. Look at who that is.

54:09 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have a friend that his first show was um 71. So wow. Yeah, Humble Pie.

54:18 SPEAKER_00: Oh, I th I thought you were gonna go there.

54:20 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Uh Mountain. I think Mountain came on, Humboldtie in the middle, and then Sabbath. 71 at the Spectrum. 71, I think it's Spectrum, maybe, maybe 70.

54:30 SPEAKER_00: Was Sabbath the headline or the opening act?

54:32 SPEAKER_01: I think no, I think Mountain was first, and Humble Pie in the middle.

54:39 SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.

54:40 SPEAKER_01: And then Sabbath. Because I think they already had two albums under them.

54:45 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because Van Halen did a tour with Sabbath, too.

54:50 SPEAKER_01: Oh, right. I mean, talk about bands that outsine, you know.

54:54 SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.

54:55 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, and and that's understandable because they're they're on the way up at 78, they're young, hungry, and uh Sabbath was kind of still formidable, but they were kind of on their way.

55:08 SPEAKER_00: That that leads me to one other thing. Concerts you ever went to by yourself. I pulled Jeff Beck at the Spectrum on the There and Back tour because I couldn't get any other friends to go. See a guy who's gonna play instrumentals, and I'm like, he was yeah, he was on the he already had he already had Blow by Blow and Wired out, and this was the There and Back. And the opening act was the Michael Stanley band, who was a really good solid band out of Ohio. They had about five albums out.

55:39 SPEAKER_01: Yeah.

55:40 SPEAKER_00: She doesn't love you like I love you. If she did, she wouldn't break your heart. Um the only other show I went to by myself was Black Sabbath and um Sammy Hagar, and it was Black Sabbath with Ronnie James Dio. Oh, nice.

56:01 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nice.

56:02 SPEAKER_00: I love that album.

56:03 SPEAKER_01: Yep. Yeah, I love Dio. Saw him twice. Absolutely. Yep.

56:08 SPEAKER_00: I've seen Dio with Motorhead, Dio, and Iron Maiden, and I would have I wish because I had the DVD downstairs, Dio at the spectrum.

56:18 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was there that night. They were taping. NFL Films was NFL Films taped it. I had that Ed, I have the I'm so old I or I have it on Betamax. I just And I don't even want to explain to people what a Betamax is unless you're my age, but it's a it's a little version of a VHS. And if you don't know what a VHS is, they gotta Google it. I mean we could probably go all night, but yeah. Listen, I'm gonna thank you a lot. This was fun and informative, and uh hope you found it enjoyable. You know, absolutely always nice to fire up the the way back machine of memories and stories, you know what it is.

56:54 SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.

56:54 SPEAKER_00: So I'm down here looking at my tour books right now. Sounds good.

57:00 SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Ed. We'll talk again. And thank you for joining us. I appreciate you tuning in and continued support. Please subscribe and feel free to leave a review. In this episode, we talked about the concert experience from finding the info on upcoming shows, buying ticks, and of course, stories about the concerts themselves. Stay tuned for our next session with our guests that will include photographers, journalists, and fans like myself live at the Spectrum.